Don Coatney Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Tod is correct, remove the pump. You will be lucky if the actuating arm and spring is still intact and not in the bottom of the oil pan. This is the best picture I have of the arm and spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Ahhh I see you are already in possession of one of the fine Hecho in Mexico fuel pumps. Pivot pin retained by force of habit.............Note to everyone who has recently changed a fuel pump, a visual check of the pin from time to time could save problems down the line. Even with the short pins fitted to these fine products, a bit of dremel work and some mechanics / safety wire might do the trick for keeping it where it needs to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1941Rick Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Just had a fuel pump problem during a recent trip to Bend Ore. Was really hot and the engine sputtered and then quit. First thing that came to mind was a vapor lock. No fuel in the carbs. Turned out that the fairly new pump was not pumping fuel due to the pivot pin of the pump lever had moved out and the level fell off. Luckily I was able to put it back together and it then ran fine. Starting fluid is a very dangerous product to use on any engine. Popular to use on diesel engines. Overuse can take out the rings and damage the cylinder walls. In my shops I would not allow its use. If it wont run on its required fuel, fix the problem, do not create more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdoland Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I took the bad fuel pump off last night and the actuating arm and spring was still intact. Lucked out on that one! Funny thing though, the pump is stamped "Made in USA" and has a small tag attached that says " E " (in a circle) then 588A 222K. There were no clips, grooves, or hammer marks anywhere near the pin. It was just put there, held in by wishful thinking. Now I wait for the new pump to see what kind of quality that one has. Should be here Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Try to re-install the pin and stake it. Put the pump back in and see if your problem is fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdoland Posted August 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Got the new fuel pump today from RockAuto that said "Made in USA" but it was stamped "Made in Canada". I guess that's close enough. I installed it anyway and Walter is back on the road. Thanks to all for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodFitch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Got the new fuel pump today from RockAuto that said "Made in USA" but it was stamped "Made in Canada". I guess that's close enough. I installed it anyway and Walter is back on the road. Thanks to all for the help! Good to hear you've got it back on the road. Were it me, I'd get a rebuild kit and fix the old pump and put it on the shelf. But that is largely because that type of part is not easily available for my older car and I'd rather have a known good spare part on the shelf when I need it and not have to wait while trying to find a supplier, buy it and wait for it to be delivered. Rather have the car drivable than have it be a object of art stationary in the garage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ194950 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Got the new fuel pump today from RockAuto that said "Made in USA" but it was stamped "Made in Canada". I guess that's close enough. I installed it anyway and Walter is back on the road. Thanks to all for the help! Made in Canada, you're lucky the one I bought from rockauto was made in China. Box name was from old, well known American Mfg. name.! It did fit but outside dimensions barely worked. Crudely casted. I do carry the older, still working (non-greaseable) but starting to make a little bearing noise as the spare. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I do carry the older, still working (non-greaseable) but starting to make a little bearing noise as the spare. Doug I have never seen a greasable fuel pump???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Is the pivot pin on the new pump properly retained or did you insall another potential time bomb??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Good to hear you've got it back on the road. Were it me, I'd get a rebuild kit and fix the old pump and put it on the shelf. But that is largely because that type of part is not easily available for my older car and I'd rather have a known good spare part on the shelf when I need it and not have to wait while trying to find a supplier, buy it and wait for it to be delivered. Rather have the car drivable than have it be a object of art stationary in the garage. I did that very same thing with the original fuel pump when I rebuilt my engine, except I stored it under the seat of my truck. It came in REAL handy when the pin came out of the "new" replacement pump. I swapped pumps, roadside, and was back motoring in no time. That one then got a rebuild and resides under the seat. Is the pivot pin on the new pump properly retained or did you insall another potential time bomb??? My thoughts exactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdoland Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 The pin seemed very tight, I tried tapping it lightly with a hammer. I put a small dab of JB Weld on each side of the pin just in case. "A little dab'll do ya" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 In this case I would rather trust staking than a little dab. But that is just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdoland Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 By staking do you mean hammering the ends with a punch or something? I tried that and it didn't seem to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Staking involves using a punch to fold the metal of the body of the fuel pump to trap the pin and not allow it to escape from either end. If you google "staking a fuel pump pin" you will find that this is a common problem for many makes of vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ194950 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I have never seen a greasable fuel pump???? Rereading my post I forgot to add Waterpump. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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