falconvan Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Hey Robert, I know you told me once but what pilot bearing did you use and where did you get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Hey Robert,I know you told me once but what pilot bearing did you use and where did you get it? I bought an oilite bearing on ebay. The seller is, "bronze-bushings" , two bushings $4.50 each, with only 1 shipping price, $5.25. I bought two different bearing, one to press inside the other. These are 1 1/2 long, about 3/8 inch protudes out of the crankshaft hole. 15/16 OD x 3/4 ID,,,,,,,,3/4OD x 9/16 ID. I put the smaller one in the freezer for a day before pressing it into the larger one. I bored the 9/16 with a 19/32, (.593).. I ended up with about .003 or .004 clearance, whick does not seem to be enough clearance, I found out later. I put the bushing into the freezer again before installing into the crankshaft hole. Later I bored the bushing again to a clearance of about .006 or .007, seems ok...... This photo is my practice engine 1956. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 it is not recommended to drill oilite..the action seals the natural porosity of the metal..oilite needs be cut on a lathe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I installed the 5 speed today. Everything seemed to line up ok .. But, Trans will not shift into gear with the engine running. Shifts smooth with engine not running. I put trans into any gear, and start the engine, wheels turn good, but pressing in the clutch, does not disengage. Trans slips out of gear smooth, engine running or not. O well, back to the drawing board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 great, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop138 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) I installed the 5 speed today. Everything seemed to line up ok .. But, Trans will not shift into gear with the engine running. Shifts smooth with engine not running. I put trans into any gear, and start the engine, wheels turn good, but pressing in the clutch, does not disengage. Trans slips out of gear smooth, engine running or not. O well, back to the drawing board... Bob, I had a similar problem with my conversion---the clutch disc would not slide back far enough on the splines to disingage the clutch disc.It ran out of travel as the splines taper up. I ended up reversing the hub on the disc.I had to go back to my clutch guy to do this. The high side usually faces the tranny---I had it going into the engine side---the crank hole on my 265 had the room---I don`t know if yours is the same---hope this helps......Lee Edited June 1, 2012 by BeBop138 more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Thanks Lee, I will check into this soon. I thought I had enough movement room, but I guess I though incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 over the years I have seen disc put in backwards..you should be able to inspect the disc from below for orientation and with someone pressing the clutch to very that he pressure plate is moving rearward..but the actual movement of the disc during operation is minimal at best as the pressure plate moves rearward when the pedal is depressed pushing the throwout bearing forward against the dogs.. One such installed backward disc led to the faliure (breaking in half) of the pressure plate for effectively not clutch action whatsoever..the guy who did this makes Red Green look like the NASA employee of the month.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Robert, that's sure nice of you to work out all the bugs for us. You'll get it, I've got faith in you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Robert, that's sure nice of you to work out all the bugs for us. You'll get it, I've got faith in you. This is a good challenge for sure. I bought the Coupe (P5) in 1986, along with a P6 for parts. My clutch disc has about 3/8 to 1/2 inch of spline remaining on the shaft, should be plenty of room for movement. My wife pressed the clutch pedal, and I can see the disc release, and put a feeler gauge between the disc and flywheel.. I am using the Plymouth pressure plate, and a new Ranger disc. I forgot to measure the thickness of the Ranger disc, and compare it to the Plymouth disc I was using, (brain dead again). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 That's odd; if the disc is releasing I wonder what could be causing it? Something amiss in the tranny itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 :) Trans is working, trans is working,:) more info later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Cool!! Looking forward to the update, Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 :) Trans is working, trans is working,:)more info later... Glad to hear it. Post pictures and detils! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Glad to hear it. Post pictures and detils! It'll be days before we hear from him, Don. He's probably out cruising the freeways right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 It'll be days before we hear from him, Don. He's probably out cruising the freeways right now. I sure wish we could be out cruising the 38, have to let this old body heal up a couple of days. I believe my problem before was the different in thickness of the disc. I hope to be back to work on it tomorrow.... I have several Plymouth disc, and they all have different thickness....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 That makes sense; so what did you have to do to get it to work? Adjustment on the rod length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 My adjustment rod was a little to long for the Plymouth pressure plate/ Ford disc setup. I was going to add more threads to the rod, but found a shorter one. It was very difficult to press the clutch pedal, and disc would not disengage. It looked as if it was releasing, but not enough to let me put it in gear.. I used .100 shims to raise the pressure plate, trans worked good engine running, but would not turn the wheels very well. I uses .040 shims to raise the pressure plate, trans would not work, when engine was running. I use .080 shims to raise the pressure plate, trans worked good, turned rear wheel good, even when applying a little brake. I drove the car around the property. First, second, and reverse very smooth. The clutch starts working a little high on the foot pedal, so I will try to adjust the rod, and maybe try .070 shims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Sounds like you're getting her dialed in, Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 dumb question,,,,where are you installing these shims ?? ive never heard of this,,,,,,,good luck with your trials and testing ,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I put the shims between the pressure plate and flywheel. So far .067 seems to be the best. I believe the Ford disc was thicker than the Plymouth disc that I was using before. I have two different adjustments rods also, one is a little too short, and the other is a little too long. With a better fitting adjustment rod, I may be able to take off the shims. Still experimenting. The car drove great yesterday for a short test trip a couple of miles.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 it is not recommended to drill oilite..the action seals the natural porosity of the metal..oilite needs be cut on a lathe.. Tim, you are correct to cut the oilite on a lathe. I do not have a lathe, but I do have 3 drill bits very close to the size I need to make the bearing. I am not suggesting to anyone, the way I do things is correct, or the way to go, only that it is the procedure I am going with on this experiment, for now. I believe the Don Coatney hockey puck looking bearing setup would be the best way to go. This photo is just a plastic wheel with a needle bearing for measurements.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I put the shims between the pressure plate and flywheel.So far .067 seems to be the best. I believe the Ford disc was thicker than the Plymouth disc that I was using before. I have two different adjustments rods also, one is a little too short, and the other is a little too long. With a better fitting adjustment rod, I may be able to take off the shims. Still experimenting. The car drove great yesterday for a short test trip a couple of miles.... very clever,,,,good luck with your trials,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Any more road test updates, Robert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Horne Posted June 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) I did a couple more road test last week. Trans working great.I still have the stock 3.90 gear in the rear, which I like very much so far,with the up and down roads we have here. My driveway is a little steep,and the 1st gear works great for that. The 4th and 5th gear works greaton the back roads here.The Ranger rear I have is a 3.73, so I am not sure if I will install that orwait for an Explorer rear. Edited December 28, 2015 by Robert Horne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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