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  1. 50plymouth

    The Rough Field Spotters Guide for Mopar Overdrives

    Hi Ward - Its not too complex. In 1952 they actually came out mounted on the right (passenger) side of the steering column. I mounted mine (like this picture) right beside the emergency brake cable. It would have went through the firewall in several places. I drilled a hole and used a rubber grommet and then down under the frame and hooked it on to the tranny. Try not to turn real sharp as the cable does need to travel My biggest challenge was to find a mounting bracket. The overdrive cables often dont come with mounting brackets. Its really not too complex. Wiring, well that can be so I would strongly suggest making sure your have a decent diagram or invest in a wiring harness from the AoK boys. That was one of the best investments I made!
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    Split exhaust/heat riser

    Interesting point. This morning I went out and measured the distance between the carb and the exhaust on my 1960 slant 6. Yes I realize it maybe considered off topic although I think this proves the point. I also looked quickly at some of the clifford and other intake options which all pull the carbs further from the exhaust. My question is why doesn't anyone on the slant 6 side of the Mopar Church talk about water heating the intake My exhaust is close to the intake runners as they hit the block but out on the carb there is no heat on my aftermarket intake and I don`t have any issues. Actually it is -7 out side right now. Yes my Canadian friends I am talking Fahrenheit ! I fired up my car which is in the garage and no warmer in there. Then I fired up the slant six. Both needed choke there is no doubt about that. Both were about 5 minutes with some choke and another 5 or 10 minutes before there was warmth coming from the defroster. Like yesterday I will be heading out for lunch shortly. It was just as cold and I had no issues. I have no evidence although after reading Tim Kingsbury`s post it makes complete sense to me that this water heater would draw heat from the intake until the engine reached operating temperature. Tracing the origins of that idea wasn't hard. Tom Langdon, Chevy guy with how much mopar experience..... really.. Again back looking at my slant 6, I think this water heat is a lot to do about nothing. Again just my opinion.
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    Split exhaust/heat riser

    It already exists John. I have had Fentons, Offys and even tried an Edgy (all too low) and Edmunds (best of the olde skool dual carb intakes) but when I got the AoK one from Tim Kingsbury it became obvious he knows what he is doing. I have a 230 and it got almost 12 miles to the gallon better than the stock intake with 1 carb. I coupled it with George Asche`s headers so the increased fuel mileage could be attributed to the pair I am sure. Their was clearly more hp and more torque. With previous cars where I used Fenton or Offy intakes the rev was there, plus some but I lost a lot of torque. Here is the link on the site. On ethanol, I agree with you. Its nasty on carbs and their gaskets, rubber lines and for flatheads just isnt the fuel of choice. Again, in my opinion. Im lucky as I have lots of non-ethanol fuel options around me. In fact several 100 and above octane fuel options around me.
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    Thats far from mild given that engine was .375 lift. .410 is a pretty high lift cam. I am not suggesting its not a good grind. That is an Esky stock car cam. I am just saying that is not a mild cam.
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    When I called Earl several years ago he was just getting into Mopars. I think that was 1999. He later did a head which I bought and it overheated. I asked about cam specs but he wouldnt really give me the specs. I ran into George Asche and Tim Kingsbury are Chrysler Carlisle and they had many cam patterns, including Esky patterns as well as custom grinds only they had. I asked for specs and they handed me over all of the specs for any cam. Whether Earl came up with more than 1 design I have no idea, but what I do know is the Asche's and Kingsbury family has been doing this for not a decade or two but over 50 years. If you want a cam, id strongly suggest getting in touch with them. There is my two cents.
  6. From one Paul to another Paul, I have known George and Tim for around 20 years now and did have the opportunity to meet Eddy Kingsbury at Chrysler Carlisle in 2009. Classy, professional and all of them were off the chart smart and some of the modest guys I have ever met. Like you I 1st met George and Tim via the telephone. That was great, but nothing like meeting them in person. If you ever have the opportunity, I would strongly suggest it should be on the top of every true Flathead Mopar enthusiast bucket list. Just don't wait to long as George is getting up there and Tim's Dad who I intended to go north to Canada to see the following spring, passed away that fall. That is not to take away from Tim although there is nothing like talking to guys who were there in the early days, or at least the 1940's , 50s and 60s and in the forefront of Performance Flatheads back then. My apologies for the speech but I just thought it was appropriate when two good guys who maybe don't seem to know each other quite as well, might just have ran into each other in the back wood, both thinking the other had their guns drawn! Paul M
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    Triple carbs for 23" block?

    he doesn't. his dual started as the offy or fenton which he improved. it really is too bad he didn't start with the "gold standard" which was the Edmunds. Kiwicranbrook - If you want a Triple George Asche makes them for the small block engines from stock intakes.
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    Triple carbs for 23" block?

    Can you provide any picture or evidence of a 23 1/2" triple ever made by any "names" in the 40s or 50s from a commercial standpoint. I most certainly never saw one. The 2 x 2 barrel intakes from Edmunds were one of his earlier generations intake and Edmunds stopped making those in the later years as they had terrible flow characteristics.
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    A visit with Earl Edgerton

    I think you may have misunderstood George. I have seen the AoK dragster and it has a modified Edmunds head on it. George's 1929 Desoto which I understand was undefeated in the flying mile in the mid-50s has an Edmunds head on it. I also believe he built a race engine for his #3 son as he refers to him, Tim Kingsbury. I got that picture from Tim's blog keeping up with the AoK boys. I do agree he would recommend cast iron heads for most people and most applications but I do believe he will tell you its a little more than visual appeal. From what I understand the aluminum tends to crack over time and clearly the Edgy head is lacking cooling areas in the front of the head which are present in the Edmunds heads. On different heads, at least when were talking the 25 1/2 inch motors I think you will find George would often seek out Tim Kingsbury or when he was alive his Dad Eddy Kingsbury for that information. Better yet ask Tim on the "keeping up with the AoK boys"
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    S 10 T5 question

    Desired in what way ?
  11. Here is the thread over on Tim's blog on the topic. Hope you don't mind Fred,
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    Crankshaft Welding

    Yes Matt - Every 265 crank is forged. If your machinist has a recommended place he uses to spray weld and regrind the crank to standard, then I would suggest you let him do that. Nothing worse than a customer with a shopping list of questions he has gotten from an internet thread. If the machinist doesn't have a good crank refurbish company he recommends, your are the wrong machinist. Its pretty much that simple. Its not a complicated process and your way over thinking this. I have literally spray welded thousands, and yes thousands of cranks and Chrysler flathead cranks are pretty straight forward. Not only is your 265 crank forged, but it was also balanced to 1 gram. When you factor in there were still major manufacturers with not only cast cranks, but Babbitt bearings when the 265 came out in 1952, you have the best of class to work with. The only tip is don't ship your crank, hand carry it and be careful as mishandling can easily end in a bent crank!
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    Open Topic Engine Thread?

    Is this a reflection in the rear view mirror ? I thought you were selling your car with wiring issues or did you get it back on the road?
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    Carlisle Chrysler show

    Unfortunately and I hate to even say this, but I get the feeling George's days going to Spring and Chrysler Carlisle is behind him now. He said he might go to Dunkirk which is a small auto fleamarket, That is where I actually met George and Tim and his Dad Eddy Kingsbury. Its hell getting old.
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    cubic inch question

    If its the original engine it is 201 ci. SInce it is a 25 1/2" engine it will have a date code cast into the block on the oil filler side of engine. The serial number is helpful but not a definitive item for the big blocks. Often times the older engines got rebuilt or the blocks were changes and the blocks restamped. I was told my Tim Kingsbury, whose grandfather was the general manager of the Canadian Engine plant than made all of the big blocks that they started producing engines in late 1935 for the 1936 production runs. Being a 1938 its a pretty early engine. What I have found is depending on where the engine spent its life and what minerals were found in the local water will often see 80 year old blocks with a lot of mineral deposits. If you do decide to rebuild it you will definitely want to have the block "cooked" to try and get rid of the years of deposits which will often see an old engine running hot.

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