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  1. From one Paul to another Paul, I have known George and Tim for around 20 years now and did have the opportunity to meet Eddy Kingsbury at Chrysler Carlisle in 2009. Classy, professional and all of them were off the chart smart and some of the modest guys I have ever met. Like you I 1st met George and Tim via the telephone. That was great, but nothing like meeting them in person. If you ever have the opportunity, I would strongly suggest it should be on the top of every true Flathead Mopar enthusiast bucket list. Just don't wait to long as George is getting up there and Tim's Dad who I intended to go north to Canada to see the following spring, passed away that fall. That is not to take away from Tim although there is nothing like talking to guys who were there in the early days, or at least the 1940's , 50s and 60s and in the forefront of Performance Flatheads back then. My apologies for the speech but I just thought it was appropriate when two good guys who maybe don't seem to know each other quite as well, might just have ran into each other in the back wood, both thinking the other had their guns drawn! Paul M
  2. Triple carbs for 23" block?

    he doesn't. his dual started as the offy or fenton which he improved. it really is too bad he didn't start with the "gold standard" which was the Edmunds. Kiwicranbrook - If you want a Triple George Asche makes them for the small block engines from stock intakes.
  3. Triple carbs for 23" block?

    Can you provide any picture or evidence of a 23 1/2" triple ever made by any "names" in the 40s or 50s from a commercial standpoint. I most certainly never saw one. The 2 x 2 barrel intakes from Edmunds were one of his earlier generations intake and Edmunds stopped making those in the later years as they had terrible flow characteristics.
  4. A visit with Earl Edgerton

    I think you may have misunderstood George. I have seen the AoK dragster and it has a modified Edmunds head on it. George's 1929 Desoto which I understand was undefeated in the flying mile in the mid-50s has an Edmunds head on it. I also believe he built a race engine for his #3 son as he refers to him, Tim Kingsbury. I got that picture from Tim's blog keeping up with the AoK boys. I do agree he would recommend cast iron heads for most people and most applications but I do believe he will tell you its a little more than visual appeal. From what I understand the aluminum tends to crack over time and clearly the Edgy head is lacking cooling areas in the front of the head which are present in the Edmunds heads. On different heads, at least when were talking the 25 1/2 inch motors I think you will find George would often seek out Tim Kingsbury or when he was alive his Dad Eddy Kingsbury for that information. Better yet ask Tim on the "keeping up with the AoK boys"
  5. S 10 T5 question

    Desired in what way ?
  6. A833 Overdrive Trans Conversion

    Here is the thread over on Tim's blog on the topic. Hope you don't mind Fred,
  7. Crankshaft Welding

    Yes Matt - Every 265 crank is forged. If your machinist has a recommended place he uses to spray weld and regrind the crank to standard, then I would suggest you let him do that. Nothing worse than a customer with a shopping list of questions he has gotten from an internet thread. If the machinist doesn't have a good crank refurbish company he recommends, your are the wrong machinist. Its pretty much that simple. Its not a complicated process and your way over thinking this. I have literally spray welded thousands, and yes thousands of cranks and Chrysler flathead cranks are pretty straight forward. Not only is your 265 crank forged, but it was also balanced to 1 gram. When you factor in there were still major manufacturers with not only cast cranks, but Babbitt bearings when the 265 came out in 1952, you have the best of class to work with. The only tip is don't ship your crank, hand carry it and be careful as mishandling can easily end in a bent crank!
  8. Open Topic Engine Thread?

    Is this a reflection in the rear view mirror ? I thought you were selling your car with wiring issues or did you get it back on the road?
  9. Carlisle Chrysler show

    Unfortunately and I hate to even say this, but I get the feeling George's days going to Spring and Chrysler Carlisle is behind him now. He said he might go to Dunkirk which is a small auto fleamarket, That is where I actually met George and Tim and his Dad Eddy Kingsbury. Its hell getting old.
  10. cubic inch question

    If its the original engine it is 201 ci. SInce it is a 25 1/2" engine it will have a date code cast into the block on the oil filler side of engine. The serial number is helpful but not a definitive item for the big blocks. Often times the older engines got rebuilt or the blocks were changes and the blocks restamped. I was told my Tim Kingsbury, whose grandfather was the general manager of the Canadian Engine plant than made all of the big blocks that they started producing engines in late 1935 for the 1936 production runs. Being a 1938 its a pretty early engine. What I have found is depending on where the engine spent its life and what minerals were found in the local water will often see 80 year old blocks with a lot of mineral deposits. If you do decide to rebuild it you will definitely want to have the block "cooked" to try and get rid of the years of deposits which will often see an old engine running hot.
  11. Carlisle Chrysler show

    It all depends on what your looking for. I go every year and for sure it is a great deal of 60s and newer stuff, but there are still often a lot of older parts and in many cases bargins can be had. As in every show there are less and less vendors carrying older stuff because there is less around and in many cases they know they can get way more on ebay. At one point in time I would have had a similar view as some to check ebay, but for most part I want the pricing is absolutely goofy and I have had so many disappointments on condition etc I don't bother. There are also too many times guys are guessing what the part is and you get it and its wrong. For me Ebay is back to a last resort spot. I also agree Hershey does tend to have a lot more older stuff, but again less and less and its not a concentrated to mopar as the all Chrysler Nationals. Spring Carlisle is coming this week, so if you just want parts that isn't a bad spot however if your 700 miles away I guess it depends on what your looking for an how bad you need it. I talked to George Asche the other day and they still have 3 spots however for the 1st time in 25 years they wont be going and he doubt they will be going to the All Chrysler Nationals (Chrysler Carlisle). Another example of a living legend who is now 85 and while his boys know this stuff there isn't the money in it and it is really time consuming compared to their rebuild of starters, generators etc business which means they are not likely to take over from George. Sad but it is what it is.
  12. Oil filter or not?

    yes, found the reference point.. http://www.allpar.com/corporate/technology.html 1924 for oil filter 1930 oil filters were standard 1946 the introduction of full flow oil filters.
  13. Oil filter or not?

    What vehicle/engine are we talking about ? I was under the impression Chrysler first introduce the bypass oil filter in 1924 and that every Plymouth had one ? On my cars I run both the bypass oil filters and full flow oil filters. The bypass filter does a better job of cleaning the oil, where as the full flow filters the big lumps.
  14. The Grand Master Turns 85 today !

    Pure Gold Tim..