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  1. B-Watson

    displacement of a C-54 motor

    If the car had the semi-automatic transmission the ring gear for the starter was attached to the fluid coupling/torque converter on one (engine) side and the clutch plate on the other (transmission) side.
  2. B-Watson

    displacement of a C-54 motor

    Chrysler had been using car codes as engine codes from the beginning in 1924, and right through 1957, with the exception of U.S.-built 1951-1958 Chryslers and Imperials. For these models and years the engine code was the model year with '-8" for 8 cylinder, 1951-1954. That was replaced by a letter for the series (WE - Windsor, LE - Saratoga, NE - New Yorker, 3NE - 300, CE - Imperial) followed by the model year for 1955-1957. For 1958 U.S. Chrysler engine numbers were 58W, 58S, 58N, 58N3, and 58C. From 1959 the new corporate engine number system was used.
  3. B-Watson

    Our Recent Find

    Yes, Powerflte was introduced late in the 1953 model year on Custom and Crown Imperials while New Yorkers and Windsors did not get Powerflite until 1954. The semi-automatic transmission, with its clutch pedal, was actually available into the 1954 model year. Bill Vancouver, BC
  4. B-Watson

    Our Recent Find

    It's a 1953 Chrysler New Yorker. The series name, "New Yorker", is on the front fender. The 1954 models had "New Yorker" and "New Yorker DeLuxe" on the rear quarter panels just ahead of the taillamp. Also a small spear on the front fenders a few inches above the rocker trim. If you look at the front end, the parking/turn signal lights are just below the headlamps in 1954 and lower on the 1953 models, in line with the middle bar of the grille. Looks like pretty nice car.
  5. B-Watson

    Numbers Matching Question

    The historical services were separate from the museum, although they were in the same building for awhile. The cars have been moved to the old Viper/Prowler plant but the historical services are still going. They do not give the letter with all the information, right now, but they will supply the build record with all the necessary information.
  6. B-Watson

    We and the Windsor 2018

    I must be seeing things. I see the codes in the square box at the bottom being C53 - the engine number prefix. The one on the bottom line below the box is C54, for a 1954 Chrysler Windsor. The C53 would be the engine number prefix for the 1953 Chrysler Windsor (C60-1) and Windsor DeLuxe (C60-2). The C54 would be the engine number for the 1954 Chrysler Windsor DeLuxe (C62). The list has the 1954 model as Chrysler Windsor, but both 1954 and 1955 models were Windsor DeLuxe. No basic Windsor for either 1954 or 1955. The Canadian-built 1951-57 Chrysler engine numbers did not use the model year as the engine number prefix, but the Engineering Dept model code, along with a "C" suffix. As for the registration for C53-804-8220, the number is for a 1953 New Yorker - C53-8 048220. No idea how the registration got there, but it definitely is for another car. And being that it is an American-built Chrysler you can get the build record for the car from Fiat Chrysler Historical. They don't do the enclosed letter with all the codes decoded, but you can get the build record with the engine number, dealer info, etc.
  7. B-Watson

    I Can’t Help Falling In love...1951 Dodge

    Jerry Heasley's "The Production Figure Book for U.S. Cars" or the "Standard Catalog of Chrysler" are the best. Neither contain information on Canadian-built cars although the production figures quoted are the total of cars built in the U.S. and Canada for the world. For Dodge, the Jerry Heasley book does not list the 1939 D11C, the Luxury Liner DeLuxe, but does list the 1939 D13, the Plymouth-based Dodge (DeLuxe Six) for the Canadian market. The 1949 figures are missing the D30 LWB 7-pass sedan (757) and includes the D39 for 1951-52 . The D39 was the 111" wheelbase Canadian Kingsway series based on the Plymouth Concord. Production figures do not exist for the American-built Plymouth-based Dodges ("Plodge") for the period 1951 to 1956, but the Canadian-built figures do. The U.S.-built Plodges serial numbers were actually Plymouth serial numbers. Same situation for the 1938-1959 DeSoto Diplomat - a DeSoto based on the Plymouth for export. Although the 1951 and 1952 models are combined together in one model number, some body styles were built only for the 1951 model year - D39 business coupe (345), D41 convertible coupe (not roadster) (1,002) and D42 LWB 7-pass sedan (1,150). I am trying to collect production figures for Canadian and American markets. Once that is done I would like to publish a book listing all the models built over the years with prices, weights and production for both the U.S. and Canada. I have the price and weight information from about 1912 through to 2000, but the production information would be from 1930 and on as Chrysler does not have anything earlier. Bill Vancouver, BC
  8. B-Watson

    I Can’t Help Falling In love...1951 Dodge

    If you would please note that I mentioned only the front clip - fenders, hood, grille. Never mentioned other parts of the car, which in the case of the D43 and D49 are all but pure Plymouth. The 1953-54 Dodge Royal, Coronet and Meadowbrook shared internal parts of the Plymouth body - cowl, floor, structural members, predominantly things you cannot see. Pushing the rear axle back 5" necessitated the extension of the middle floor pan as well as the roof. The external sheet metal went through the most changes to make the Dodge not look like a Plymouth - windshield, rear window, rear doors, rear fenders, trunk lid, front clip. And the full-size Dodge would share bodies with Plymouth through to the end of the big models in 1977. Unfortunately the 1953 and 1954 Dodge hardtop, convertible and 2 door wagon remained on Plymouth's 114" wheelbase, which resulted in a lot of lost sales. Hardtop production in 1954 came to 2.6% of total production. All 1955 Dodge Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal models shared a 120" wheelbase and the 2 door hardtop took 20.4% of Dodge production. When it comes to car bodies, it is what is inside that they share. The exterior surface is what changes from car line to car line. Generally the internal bits are the most expensive, and complicated, to tool. The exterior sheet metal the cheapest. But the exterior is the most important to sales - it's the way the car buyer could tell, for example, a 1965 Fury from a 1965 Polara or 1965 Chrysler. Internally the big differences were the cowl and the rear floor section added to increase the Fury wheelbase 2" to 121.5" for Dodge or 4" to 123.5" for Chrysler. Bill Vancouver, BC
  9. B-Watson

    I Can’t Help Falling In love...1951 Dodge

    The 1941-1952 US Dodges used the DeSoto-Chrysler body and for 1953 the U.S. Dodge moved to the Plymouth body. The sedan and club coupe had the rear axle moved back 5" thus increasing the wheelbase to 119". The convertible, hardtop and wagon models were left on the Plymouth 114" wheelbase. The front clips look the same, but the 114" models had a shorter front overhang than the 119" models. You can see this on the 1954 models where the hood slopes down into the grille on the sedan and club coupe, but the shorter models have the hood end before the grille and drop down to the grille. The Canadian 114" wheelbase models shared the 114" wheelbase front clip with the U.S. convertible, hardtop and wagon models.. In 1953, the D43 (Canada), D47 (6) and D48 (V8) all used the same front fenders and grille, Hoods are interchangeable but the V8 D48 has a hood scoop. The 119" models (D44 V8, D46 6 cyl) shared fenders and grille with hoods differing due to hood scoop. Same held in 1954 - 114" wheelbase models (D49 (Canada), D52 6 cyl, D53 V8) and likewise the 119" models (D50 V8, D51 6 cyl), with the V8 hoods having a hood scoop. The only exception to the above was the 1954 119" wheelbase D53-2 Coronet V8 4 door wagon. Bodies started out as 2 door 114" wagons and were shipped to Mitchell-Bentley where the bodies were extended 5". M-B attached 4 door sedan front doors, the B pillar, and customized rear doors to the body. The completed wagon body was then shipped back to Detroit where the body was painted, trimmed and lowered onto a 119" chassis. The front clip, though, was the same as used on the 114" wheelbase models. Grilles on the 1953 are the same for all models, while in 1954 the top differs between 114" and 119" wheelbase models. All the above according to the 1953-54 Passenger Car Parts List by Chrysler Corporation of Canada Limited. The 1955 to 1959 Dodges all used the same front end clip, with trim according to series. The so-called "Canadian" Dodges were built in the U.S. for export markets, under the Kingsway name, around the world, outside of the U.S. and Canada..
  10. B-Watson

    1953 Chrysler Brakes Rebuild Thread

    In the Canadian parts book it is labelled as a "Pedal Rod Spring". You need two and the part number is 1329 486 and is used on all 1953-1954 DeSoto and Chrysler models, both US and Canadian that has a manual clutch. That spring appears only on 1953 and 1954 models. As for your shop manuals, the Canadian versions covered Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler and were published by Chrysler Corporation of Canada, Windsor, Ontario. Also, the publication number starts with "WM-". The U.S. versions generally covered only one make, were published by the Chrysler Corporation, Detroit, and the publication number starts with "D-" on the editions printed prior to computerization. And brake fluid, which started out as a variation of gas line antifreeze (methylhydrate), absorbs water and holds water in suspension. It does not combine with water molecules. And as water is heavier than brake fluid, the water would probably sink to the lowest level of the car if it sat for a long period of time.
  11. The Custom Imperial Airflow Eight, model CW, body by LeBaron, curved one-piece windshield was an automotive first The CW was built in 1934 and 1935, with a handful for 1936 and two for 1937. 1936 and 1937 models were actually leftover 1935 cars. The 1941and 1942 Crown Imperials had a one-piece, curved windshield. The 1946-48 Crown Imperials, which used the same body as the 1941-42 models, with update front and rear ends, had a two piece, V windshield. That 1942 Crown Imperial appears to be the one that was shown on the IOC's website as a 1945 model. No Crown Imperials were built in 1945, and 1946 production did not begin until the summer of 1946. Wheelbase of the 1934-37 CW was 146½" while the 1941-1954 Crown Imperials were 145½".
  12. B-Watson

    Oz Production Figures 1949-1952

    Early production of 1929 model Q Plymouths had "Chrysler" on the Mayflower emblem, but that was the only time for US and Canadian Plymouths. But all Plymouths after the model Q to the last one in 2001 were sold as Plymouth, and no Chrysler. Including the 1949 -
  13. B-Watson

    Oz Production Figures 1949-1952

    The "S" denoted the lower priced series when there were two series to one model number. P-18S was for the 1949 DeLuxe 118½" wheelbase models while the Special DeLuxe was P18C. For 1950 Chrysler dropped the letters and replaced them with numbers. The P20 Deluxe was now P20-1 while the Special DeLuxe was P20-2. Chassis only units were classified "C" from 1946 through 1949, no "S" series. As matter of fact the lower priced series (S) was not exported to any country in that period and all export Plymouths and Plymouth-based Dodges and DeSotos were Special DeLuxe models (C). Only Canada and the U.S. marketed Plymouth DeLuxe (S) and only Canada the Plymouth-based Dodge DeLuxe (S) Of course, companies that purchased chassis units from North America and used locally built bodies could use any series classification they wanted. The 1954 Australian Plymouth, Dodge Kinsgway and DeSoto Diplomat had a "-4" series not used in North America and that was used through 1956. .
  14. B-Watson

    1940 Dodge Colour Question

    Big thing to remember is that Chrysler Australia Limited did not come into being until 1951, and thus all Australian-built Chrysler cars and trucks prior to 1951 were a mixture of Chrysler and Australian designs. The chassis and powertrains came from North America but the bodies were Australian. And thus the colours and paints would probably be Australian. In Canada prior to WW II Chrysler of Canada used lacquer paints on the cars and enamel paints on trucks. Colours were either unique to Chrysler or some U.S. manufacturer, including Chrysler and General Motors. The main auto paint suppliers were Canada Paint (which became part of Sherwin-Williams) and Canadian Industries Limited. CIL was founded in the 1920's when E.I. DuPont (USA) and Imperial Chemical Industries (UK) joined forces and "sold" all their Canadian holdings to CIL. CIL marketed DuPont paints and used the U.S. DuPont paint codes. Attached is Sherwin-Williams of Canada paint chart for Chrysler of Canada. Each colour that has five codes are colours for the passenger cars. Colours with a single code, such as Commercial Red, code 1832, are for Dodge and Fargo Trucks. And the colours are listed with lacquer and enamel types. CIL (aka DuPont) codes : Royal Maroon - 246-8498 Coral Blue (Metallic) - 202-32537 (US make unknown) Ottawa Beige - 246-32683 (1939-1940 U.S. DeSoto - Williamsburg Tan) Chateau Green 246-51252 (1937-1941 U.S. Buick) Strathmore Blue - 246-37342 (US make unknown) Harbour Grey (Metallic) - 246-36382 (US make unknown) Gunmetal (Metallic) - 202-32542 (US make unknown) Commercial Red - 93-236 / 246-8528 Regal Maroon - 93-350 / 246-8544 Commercial Blue - 93-8097 / 246-8847 Black - 93-86 / 246-8708 Thistle Green - 93-8098 / 246-8848 Silverwing Grey - 93-8099 / 246-8849 Desert Beige - (not listed on Sherwin-Williams) - 246-8937 Colours with prefix "93-" are enamel, "246-" lacquer and "202-" lacquer metallic. Four digit codes starting with "8" (246-8498) are Canada-only colours.
  15. B-Watson

    Using Engine ID Number to Title Car

    Actually, Ford Motor Co. did have engine numbers. Dated back to at least the first Model T engine. in 1908. Models T numbers were stamped on the side of the block in the centre. On flahead V8 engines stamped on rear of block on top of clutch housing. Ford began stamping the engine number on the chassis frame after the Model A. Ford also used the car engines in their trucks, so the cars and trucks shared engine number sequences in the 1930's. Car serial numbers separate from engine numbers began with the 1950 models.
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