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  1. 1940 Dodge Colour Question

    Big thing to remember is that Chrysler Australia Limited did not come into being until 1951, and thus all Australian-built Chrysler cars and trucks prior to 1951 were a mixture of Chrysler and Australian designs. The chassis and powertrains came from North America but the bodies were Australian. And thus the colours and paints would probably be Australian. In Canada prior to WW II Chrysler of Canada used lacquer paints on the cars and enamel paints on trucks. Colours were either unique to Chrysler or some U.S. manufacturer, including Chrysler and General Motors. The main auto paint suppliers were Canada Paint (which became part of Sherwin-Williams) and Canadian Industries Limited. CIL was founded in the 1920's when E.I. DuPont (USA) and Imperial Chemical Industries (UK) joined forces and "sold" all their Canadian holdings to CIL. CIL marketed DuPont paints and used the U.S. DuPont paint codes. Attached is Sherwin-Williams of Canada paint chart for Chrysler of Canada. Each colour that has five codes are colours for the passenger cars. Colours with a single code, such as Commercial Red, code 1832, are for Dodge and Fargo Trucks. And the colours are listed with lacquer and enamel types. CIL (aka DuPont) codes : Royal Maroon - 246-8498 Coral Blue (Metallic) - 202-32537 (US make unknown) Ottawa Beige - 246-32683 (1939-1940 U.S. DeSoto - Williamsburg Tan) Chateau Green 246-51252 (1937-1941 U.S. Buick) Strathmore Blue - 246-37342 (US make unknown) Harbour Grey (Metallic) - 246-36382 (US make unknown) Gunmetal (Metallic) - 202-32542 (US make unknown) Commercial Red - 93-236 / 246-8528 Regal Maroon - 93-350 / 246-8544 Commercial Blue - 93-8097 / 246-8847 Black - 93-86 / 246-8708 Thistle Green - 93-8098 / 246-8848 Silverwing Grey - 93-8099 / 246-8849 Desert Beige - (not listed on Sherwin-Williams) - 246-8937 Colours with prefix "93-" are enamel, "246-" lacquer and "202-" lacquer metallic. Four digit codes starting with "8" (246-8498) are Canada-only colours.
  2. Using Engine ID Number to Title Car

    Actually, Ford Motor Co. did have engine numbers. Dated back to at least the first Model T engine. in 1908. Models T numbers were stamped on the side of the block in the centre. On flahead V8 engines stamped on rear of block on top of clutch housing. Ford began stamping the engine number on the chassis frame after the Model A. Ford also used the car engines in their trucks, so the cars and trucks shared engine number sequences in the 1930's. Car serial numbers separate from engine numbers began with the 1950 models.
  3. My 54 Cranbrook

    Your Plymouth model number should start with P25. And being a Cranbrook it should be P25-2. The Savoy was P25-3 and the Belvedere P25-4. Those little ridged fins on the rear fenders were used by the Canadian plant for Plymouth, Dodge as well as export Dodge Kingsway and DeSoto Diplomat. The American plant used the ridged fins on export Dodge Kingsway, DeSoto Diplomat and the Mayfair convertible for Canada. And the Australian plant used them on 1954-56 Plymouth, Dodge Kingsway and DeSoto Diplomat. Not sure how the Australian cars had the chassis number recorded on the car, but the 1954 models used the North American system of eight digits -starting with "1" meant it was from the Lynch Road plant in Detroit and "9" if it was from the Windsor plant in Canada. The engine number should be stamped on a machined boss on the left side of the engine, just below the head on the #1 cylinder.
  4. Power Steering on Mopar in 1950?6nm

    Looking at the parts book, Chrysler first offered power steering on the hemi V8 models in 1951 - Saratoga, New Yorker, Imperial and Crown Imperial. The power steering units were made by Gemmer. I have a number of ads and articles on Chryslers new power steering system for 1951. For 1952 the DeSoto models offered power steering (6 and V8) as well as the 6 cylinder Chrysler Windsor / Windsor Deluxe. Some of the units for these cars were built by Eaton. Buick also introduced power steering for 1952 (Saginaw/Bendix). The 1951 Chrysler unit was based on expired patents by Francis Davis while the Buick unit was based on Davis's more recent work (covered by active patents). Oher makes in 1952 - Cadillac 1953 - Chevrolet, Lincoln, Nash, Oldsmobile, Packard, Pontiac, Studebaker 1954 - Dodge, Ford, Mercury, Plymouth, Willys
  5. Oz Production Figures 1949-1952

    The only Dodges before WW II that used Plymouth chassis were the Dodge models based on the Plymouth, generally referred to as "Plodges". Given that, in 1933 the Dodge DP Six and Canadian DQ Six went into production in November, 1932 with a 111¼" wheelbase. On April 5, 1933 the DP adopted a 115" wheelbase (starting at serial number 3,594,423 in the US and 9,400,160 in Canada, engine number DP-17794). RHD chassis used the same serial number sequences as LHD chassis. Plymouth began production of new PD series on the Dodge 111¼" wheelbase chassis in April 1933. The DQ remained on the 111¼" chassis. The DQ used the DP engine (3-1/8" bore, 4-3/8" stroke, 201.3-cid). All 1933 Plymouths, including the PD, used an engine with a 3-1/8" bore, 4-1/8" stroke, 189.8-cid. The extra length on the DP with a 115" wheelbase was ahead of the cowl. Thus the hood is longer and the radiator and radiator shell are different. DP serial numbers at Detroit started at 3,579,001 and ended at 3,678,655. Windsor had three sequences - 9,549,925 to 9,550,000, then 9,400,001 to 9,401,388. The serial numbers changed after 9,550,000 as 9,550,001 to 9,550,300 numbers were used on model DC. The third sequence was used on CKD units - 9,445,001 to 9,445,360. Dodge DQ sequence started at 9,452,951 and ended at 9,455,705. Production numbers for the Dodge DQ were included in the DP numbers, Thomas McPherson in his "The Dodge Story" states that 1933 DQ production came to 2,556 in 1933 with an additional 6 in 1934. DQ production came to an end in December, 1933 so I suspect Mr. McPherson was using shipment figures and not production. The two are not the same, although the totals should be. DQ serial number sequence shows 2,755 built. With Mr. McPherson reporting 2,556 shipped in 1933 and 6 in 1934, the remaining 193 would have been shipped in 1932. DP serial number should be stamped on the frame under right front fender. Suspect it is the same location as Ricky Luke stated. North American-built bodies had the serial number stamped on a plate attached to the right front hinge pillar.
  6. Body number Vehicle number

    The "704" is for a Detroit built 1949 P18-2 Special DeLuxe convertible body. The "9518" is the sequential production number. Bodies built at the Evansville Briggs body plant had an "E" after the model number while the Los Angeles body plant had an "L". The San Leandro plant did not get its own body making facility until the 1954 model year, the last year they built cars and trucks at that plant.
  7. Mopar Engine Identification

    Probably a factory-supplied replacement engine. They were sold with no engine number on the machined boss. When the engine was installed, the engine number of the unit being replaced would have been stamped on the new unit.
  8. California Assembly Plants: Where, What & When?

    The Los Angeles plant started building Plymouths on June 15, 1933, models PC and PD. Plymouths were produced through 1960. The Los Angeles plant was under the Plymouth Division until the late 1950's when the Automotive Manufacturing Group took charge of all U.S. assembly, body, engine, transmission, and parts plants. The first Dodge built at Los Angeles came off the line in 1946. The last full-size Dodge was built at Los Angeles in 1960. Production of Chrysler Windsor and DeSoto Custom models began at Los Angeles late in 1948. Starting with the 1949 models all Dodge and 6 cylinder DeSotos and Chryslers were built at Los Angeles. Chrysler Saratoga was added for 1951, DeSoto Firedome for 1952 and Chrysler New Yorker for 1953. From 1957 to 1959 the Firesweep was the only DeSoto model built at LA while no 6 cylinder Coronets were built in 1957-58. The last DeSoto rolled off the LA plant at the end of the 1959 model year, while 1960 marked the end of Plymouth, Dart (big Dart), Dodge and Chrysler production. Only A and B bodies (along with E body in 1970) were built at LA through to closing in 1971. The San Leandro plant was built by Dodge in 1948. Plymouth and Dodge cars were built from 1949 through 1954 at San Leandro. Apparently bodies were shipped to the San Leandro plant as body building facilities were not added to the plant until 1953, in time for the 1954 model year. With the west coast sales collapsing in 1954, Chrysler decided to close the San Leandro plant at the end of the 1954 model year. As for determining which plant was which, the serial number can help. After the war Plymouth serial numbers starting with "1" were built at the Lynch Road plant in Detroit - 1x,xxx,xxx. The Evansville plant started with "2" with the second digit being "0", "1" or "2". Los Angeles plant also started with "2" but had the third digit less than "5". San Leandro production used 2x,5xx,xxx numbers with the second digit being "5" or higher. Dodge started using eight digit serial numbers for 1949, and had the Detroit cars starting with "3" and California cars starting with "4". Dodge did the opposite as Plymouth for the third digit for San Leandro being "0" to "4" and Los Angeles being "5" or higher. For DeSoto eight digit serial numbers for Los Angeles began with "60" to "64" while eight digit serial numbers for Detroit started at "5"x. Chrysler eight digit numbers for Los Angeles also started at "65" to "69" with Detroit cars starting with "7x". 1955 to 1957 Chrysler serial numbers in the U.S. had a letter for the model, two digits for the model year and then "L' for Los Angeles. Detroit numbers had no plant letter. Thus W55-1001 was for a 1955 Detroit-built Windsor and W55L-1001 for Los Angeles. In 1958 Chrysler Corp serial numbers were laid out as L (1958), C (car line), 1 (engine / chassis) and, if not Detroit, L (assembly plant - L- Los Angeles, E - Evansville, N - Newark). From 1959 to date the VIN has a digit for the plant that built the car. For the prewar seven digit serial numbers, 9,000,001 to 9,199,999 were for Evansville production (Dodge Trucks to 1932, Plymouth cars starting 1936 and Dodge cars in 1937). Serial numbers 9,200,001 to 9,299,999 were used for California (Stockton 1931-1932, then Los Angeles). These numbers were used for Plymouth, Dodge and Dodge Truck. Canadian serial numbers for Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler cars and Fargo Trucks used serial numbers 9,300,001 to 9,900,000. 9,900,001 to 9,999,999 were used for early 1930's export Dodges and other special runs. Canadian Dodge Trucks were 8,900,001 to 8,980,000. The eight digit serial numbers starting with "9" were all for Canadian production through 1957. Hope this makes sense.
  9. 1941 dodge luxury liner D19 body restauration

    Yes, the 1941 to 1948 Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler all shared the same bodies. The Dodge was on a 119½" wheelbase, DeSoto and Chrysler 6 - 121½ wheelbase and the Chrysler 8 - 127½". The wheelbase differences were all in the engine compartment. The Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler long wheelbase models were 18" longer than the base sedans. The Plymouth used its own, slightly smaller body, on a 117" wheelbase that was introduced in 1940 and used through 1948. The 1942 models received new exterior sheet metal that gave the car a slightly more rounded look.
  10. Another quick one Please

    Henry Ford have a Swiss bank account? Not in his life time. He hated bankers and banks and would have nothing to do them. In the recession of 1921 he had a surplus of cars and parts. He shipped the cars to dealers C.O.D. and they were told to take the cars or lose their Ford dealership. And that was how Ford got through the crisis - using his dealers' money instead of the banks. (The Ford Model T had over 50% of the car market at that time.) From 1915 to 1922 Ford made a 4 door sedan with no front doors. They called it the Centre Door Sedan. Apparently the front seat was two pieces with a space between to get to the front seat from the rear. Which is where you entered or left the vehicle. Door locks appeared on closed models in the mid 1920's and in 1926 the touring car added a door for the driver. All kinds of neat ways to cut costs. Ford of Canada built their touring cars with four doors as BC was RHD drive until 1923 while the other eight provinces were LHD.
  11. spitfire engine specs

    For 1951, 1952 and 1953 U.S. built Chryslers use the model year instead of the model code in the engine number prefix. Thus engine numbers were 1951 : C51 (6 cyl) / C51-8 (V8) 1952 : C52 (6 cyl) / C52-8 (V8) 1953 : C53 (6 cyl) / C53-8 (V8) For 1954 they returned to the normal model numbers, although with "-8" for the V8 models : C62, C63-8, C64-8, C66-8 Canadian Chryslers kept the model code system through to the end of 1957 production.
  12. 52 plymouth under hood color scheme ?

    Mopar cars had the firewall painted body colour, and that goes back at least to the early thirties. The whole front doghouse was painted the body colour and then attached to the body. Costs money to mask the body to prevent over spray when you do the firewall in black. Chrysler's new, larger bodies for 1949 were more expensive than their competitors and Chrysler began losing market share. Thus they started cutting the cost of building cars - cutting back on paint, dropping the partition behind the rear seat, replacing wood grain with paint, etc.
  13. 1940 Dodge D14 Build Thread

    In North America the 1940 Plymouth and Dodge D15/D16 was on a 117" wheelbase with the D14/D17 Dodge on a 119½" wheelbase and the 6 cylinder DeSoto and Chrysler on 122½". Plymouth and Dodge shared the same body while the DeSoto/Chrysler body was the Plymouth body with the rear axle moved back 3". The DeSoto/Chrysler 4 door sedans had a 3" longer rear quarter window than the Plymouth and Dodge and the coupes had the extension in the trunk of the body. Did the Australian 1940 Chrysler body have a similar extension in the sedans?
  14. town sedan ??

    The Packard Clipper was designed by Howard "Dutch" Darrin and was the first car to be built by Briggs for Packard. Briggs rarely did styling work for Chrysler or Packard as both companies had their own styling staff. The Chrysler Corp. town cars had a slope at the rear end that was identical to the six window sedan and not as drawn out as the Clipper. Not surprising, really, as the luggage compartment lid of the town sedan was the same as used on the two door sedan, the six window four door sedan, and the LWB sedans. You can see this if you look at the New Yorker town sedan, which is more of a side view to match the Clipper photo. Briggs made bodies for Plymouth, including the 1942 town sedans. But again, the rear of the town sedan was the same as the six window sedan. There were differences in roof stampings for the C pillar, the section behind the rear doors. The rear fenders for each make were the same for all body styles and thus the Mopar town sedan rear ends look stumpy from the side view in comparison to the Clipper . As I stated earlier, Briggs did not build all the bodies for Chrysler Corp. The body used for Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler from 1941 was built in Chrysler Corp body plants. And they shared a great number of stampings, including the luggage lid for all their sedans - 2 door, 4 door six window, town sedan and LWB sedan. Only Plymouth relied on Briggs for bodies, either the Mack Avenue plant or the Evansville body plant located south west of Plymouth's assembly plant. Attached is a side view shot of a 1941 DeSoto Town Sedan and the rear quarter shot of a 1941 Dodge Town Sedan. You can clearly see how short the tail end is in comparson to the Packard Clipper and how the rear slopes down from the roof to the bumper.
  15. town sedan ??

    The complete list of town sedan models : Plymouth - 1942 Special DeLuxe : 5,821 Dodge (Export - Plymouth body) - 1942 Special DeLuxe : 55 Dodge - 1941 Luxuryliner Custom : 16,074 - 1942 Custom : 4,047 - 1946-1948 Custom : 27,800 DeSoto - 1941 Custom : 4,362 - 1942 Deluxe : 291 and Custom -:1,084 Chrysler - 1941 Royal : 1,277 - Windsor : 2,704 - Saratoga & New Yorker : 2,326 - Crown Imperial Special : 894 - 1942 Royal : 73 - Windsor : 479 - Saratoga : 46 - New Yorker : 1,648 - 1946-1948 Town & Country Six : 4,049 - Town & Country Eight : 100 Plymouth and the Plymouth-based Dodge export models had their bodies built by Briggs, but Dodge bodies were built by Dodge at their Hamtramck plant and DeSoto / Chrysler bodies were built at Chrysler's Kercheval body plant on East Jefferson Avenue, across the street from the East Jefferson plant. Special / low production bodies were contracted out to various body builders. Chrysler bodies were trucked from the Kercheval plant across the street to the East Jefferson plant while DeSoto bodies were trucked across town to the DeSoto plant on Wyoming Avenue. Chrysler of Canada built their own bodies, but built town sedans only in 1941. The 1941 Town Sedan is a Crown Imperial Special - basically a New Yorker town sedan with fancier upholstery and the Crown Imperial engine - 6.8 :1 compression ratio, aluminum head, 140 bhp. Also note the Crown Imperial wheel covers.
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